i think john boehner's plan to bring down spending dollar for dollar makes a lot of sense and i think pat toomey's does. you don't want to cut very things most critical to the u.s. there is lot of garbage spending in government, believe me, bill, when i say that. why would you make the critical spending the first things you're going to cut except just to hold the country hostage. that is what the democrats are threatening. it doesn't make sense. bill: do you think republicans can win on either option? >> if they do it carefully, slowly and comfortably, yes i do think they can win. i think we can get major reform using the debt ceiling, slowly but surely. don't make it a battle all at once. raise the debt ceiling two, three, four months and come back to see what things we can do to make america a better country. debt ceiling is forcing these people to compromise. bill: thank you, art. >> thank you, bill. bill: it will be bloody in washington, d.c. thank you, art out of nashville. >> thank you very much, bill. martha: it was an emergency landing. batteries melting down in midair. now th